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greetings friends of astrobiology and

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welcome to ask an astrobiologist the

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show that likes to focus on the science

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cosmos and today we have a really

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awesome guest our guest is the

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illustrator and scientist who creates

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series he also was the one who created

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all those awesome graphics you just saw

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his work in his career and give you a

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mike is putting up right now shows a

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Italy known as the frasassi caves

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there so let's get this show moving

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our guest this month is dr. Aaron

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Gronstal he's the creator of the NASA

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those beautiful little graphic history

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him here on the show to talk about art

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and science so dr. Gronstal thank you

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very much for joining us here on ask an

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astrobiologist thank you for having me

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so dr. Gronstal we're gonna talk a lot

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obviously about artwork since you do a

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childhood experiences the things I did

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high school to you so I always had to my

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molecular environmental biology but also

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occation and from there became a home

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of you feel like that that helped you

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understanding the playwright brilliant

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the season at La MaMa theater and it was

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a lot of fun yeah so cool heroes this

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linseed oil and Japan and dryer and

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things coming from his studio and and

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what were those thing is chemically why

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pinning of art and science coming

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together in your young life and then

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about your art career then what really

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an illustrator creating these these

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whoa let's yeah I went on to do a

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master's in space science at the inner

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state university and then PhD in England

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who was also on ask and astrobiologist

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creation stuff for the astrology

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see I think I did my PhD in England and

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during the course of that fell in love

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in a position where that was the Defense

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of Marriage Act at that at that time so

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same-sex couples had another immigration

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rights so I was put in the position of

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choosing career or love and and what

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for a while and luckily you know I had

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other kind of skills to fall back on and

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astrobiology program and wonderful

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colleagues and NASA has been very

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supportive and all that and kind of

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found other routes in and then it was up

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steering a little bit away from research

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that sort of thing and then things that

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I carry remotely and travel for so and

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others who started off in pathways with

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science who really thought that we would

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continue and become you know research

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professors continued you know through

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postdocs and the kinds of things you

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that way what was the big thing for you

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but what was what was the big thing for

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you that really have helped you to

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maintain your focus moving forward after

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leaving that kind of on the side and

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communicator of science and someone who

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really shares science through artwork I

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mean less than a passion for this for

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the science and and I think also for me

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science within astrobiology and I never

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really wanted to pursue and build a

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which is why my interest in like working

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with the with the program came about

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because that's you know you've got your

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hands and a lot of different places and

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you're you're you're helping like the

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science community along and and in

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pursuing these big questions of

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astrobiology and I think like that that

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was a that was a big driver also just

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the incredible people at the program and

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colleagues that I work with and the

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environment there that you know it

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would've been hard to leave and go into

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academia and that kind of stuff because

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the wonderful people that I get to work

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with and in the community that's built

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around astrobiology there as well and

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that was actually and I've always had a

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passion for art always kept up with

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artwork and that sort of thing and it

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was his LarryBoy tech after she became

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kind of the program scientist at NASA

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was at my apartment it's all of my

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paintings and drawings and everything on

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the wall and she and Linda buildings

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have been discussing doing some sort of

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art based outreach project some sort of

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book or you know whether it was comic or

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if it was a children's book and that

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sort of thing and and she kind of made

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that connection was like oh well like

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we'd have this in-house let's let's make

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use of it so yeah well let's just talk a

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bit about the the creation then of the

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astrobiology graphic history series what

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is your process how do you how do you

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start from just you know the idea for an

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issue and then bring that to this

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beautiful digital or print format that

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people then can can use I think it was

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like so the first issue was made in

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conjunction with the 50th anniversary of

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exobiology at NASA as part of the 50th

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anniversary celebrations they wanted

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like the first kind of books to be out

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and so that that was you know just a his

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history of the start of exobiology and

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astrobiology at NASA and so it was kind

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of a built in topic for that one and

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yeah that doesn't up being going over

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really well and being successful and

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people really enjoyed it so we decided

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to continue on and then we kind of

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decided to start with mission oriented

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issues and focused on Mars because at

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the time you know curiosity was being

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prepared and there was a lot about

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and stuff so that was that was a there

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are like lots of nice outreach events

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around that launch that we could focus

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on so we started with Mars missions and

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then and I went in our solar system and

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outer solar system and since then it's

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been kind of God guided by pertinent

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topics in astrobiology at the time so

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what's you know what developments have

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been happening and and things that we we

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see where there's a gap in communication

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that needs to be filled a bit and all

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that's built around get other the

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strategy and the ten-year plan from the

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Academy of Sciences and what we have

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coming up in terms of missions and that

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sort of thing so awesome yeah I know I

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absolutely love that you have so many

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different research field sites on earth

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in the in the astrobiology graphic

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histories you also have so many

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scientists there for myself I mean I

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absolutely love that I saw my own fueled

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what fueled site for my graduate

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research in the graphic history at Bohr

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is what was what was it like trying to

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get all these different scientists to

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get them into the graphic history series

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to to create them as artwork and then

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she'll try to give them a voice through

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this medium it can be challenging but it

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I mean it's a lot of fun there's so

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meanness in the community so big and

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there's so many wonderful reach

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researchers doing amazing work that it's

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really hard to kind of pick you know who

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we feature and that kind of stuff and a

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lot of that you know i when i'm

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attending conferences and things I'll

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sit and I listen the kind of lectures on

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the topic that I'm focusing on and kind

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of doing the background research for and

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you know I try to include as many people

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as possible but it's a big headache for

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Linda Billings because she's the one

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that has to go around and get the

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permissions for everybody the last one

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had I don't know how many 40 people in

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it so she said she said I needed to slim

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that down for the next couple but um ya

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know it's it's you know I try to include

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as many people as possible and as

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diverse a group as people as possible

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like I think it's important to show the

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diversity and the community and stuff as

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well so you're kind of now like a rock

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star artist in some ways because of

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creating these graphic history series

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what is it like to

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to a scientific conference and have

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scientists want your signature on their

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pictures that you created of them it's a

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little strange but it's fun

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now the conferences are a ton of thought

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them and my favorite thing is actually

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going around and getting this the the

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autographs of the different scientists

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there in the issue and I kind of

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encourage any any kids and stuff they

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come for the table and pick up issues to

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to go around and collect signatures from

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the scientists that are there because

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and it's also like you know for kind of

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early career people and students and

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things it's a it's a fun way to kind of

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break the ice with some of these you

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know big-name researchers that you kind

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of look up to for their research and

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stuff but you know sometimes it's a it's

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a little awkward going up and starting a

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conversation with people I think it's

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been pretty useful for that and that's

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that's super fun to see oh yeah I recall

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that feeling as a young undergraduate

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student having a bit of the the you know

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the the the star shocked feeling when

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you go up to some of these Road around

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researchers so having an end with a

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graphic history series is pretty awesome

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can you tell us then for the audience

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some of your process maybe that maybe

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especially for those who don't really

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know what it's like to create something

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like this how long does it take you to

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create one issue and what is the process

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like from start to finish for you um I

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mean you've been kind of I guess it's

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been kind of like on a yearly schedule

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that we've been releasing either a new

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issue or updated versions of different

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issues because we've been updating for

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instance issue 2 along with you know the

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different the curiosity launched in the

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landing and there'll be a new kind of

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one probably from Mars 2020 so that's

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kind of concurrently working on that in

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the next issues well so yeah I mean it

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stuck with the research it's the blend

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of script writing and that that takes a

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good amount of time and that probably

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takes a lot of time is is kind of

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contacting the scientists and getting

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input from them and then I start to all

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the get works done by hand

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it's a pedestal one ink up to that point

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like once it's all inked then it's

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digitized then I do all the coloring and

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stuff digitally but after that after the

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kind of draft drawings are done then we

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send it around to the

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the different scientists that are in the

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issue and get their approval on you know

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their likeness and the words that

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they're saying and that can be the

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longest process of getting all the

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permissions getting people you know to

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to get back to you for one thing but

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also a lot of people you know it's

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difficult to describe research in three

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panels that has taken 20 years and

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multiple multiple publications to get to

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the point it's at so you know scientists

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always feel that stuff's being left out

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and they want three pages of scientific

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text to explain what they're trying to

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say but that's the fun part of the

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comics and that's that that's the that's

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the reason for doing it and we wouldn't

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put references in the back so that's

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awesome yeah I know that feeling from

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scientists they want to give you

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everything in one in one full scoop but

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you know as a science communicator then

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you know we have to take these materials

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and parse them down to something

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understandable so it's it's really cool

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how you've done that so far with these

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seven issues in the astrobiology series

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I do want to say to our audience

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watching at home you can ask questions

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right now for dr. Gronstal using hashtag

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ask asked row bio on Twitter or you can

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just ask questions directly in the

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second net chat or on the NASA

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Astrobiology Facebook page if you're

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watching there you have the chat box as

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well those questions will then come to

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me for a little bit later in our show

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before we move to that point though I'd

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love to talk a bit more just about what

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your life is like in general I know that

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we have some videos that that our

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producer Mike will put up for us to

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watch here for instance of you

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wakeboarding what's that like oh my grip

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kind of around a lake in Iowa so that

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was that was part of my my childhood

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growing up is fishing and wakeboarding

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and waterskiing at first and then

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wakeboarding and I've kind of a core

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group of childhood friends that we spend

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a lot of time on the water and still

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when I try to get back there in the

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summers and and get on the boat with

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everybody it broke my ankle about a year

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ago wakeboarding so that sounds probably

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back is back on it this summer so nice

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yeah I grew up waterskiing but I tried

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wakeboarding and could never figure it

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out it just seems so weird to me

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compared to what

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skiing yeah although that if we figured

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out this summer at the friend Kevin we

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actually took a class with like this

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sixteen-year-old kid that was explaining

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to us how to wakeboard and after you

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know 20 years of teaching ourselves I

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kind of know why I broke my ankle

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interesting snowboarding ID snowboarded

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for nearly 20 years before I took a

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class with my young cousin and she

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taught me everything I was doing wrong

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for two decades and how to fix it so

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even some of us who are getting a little

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bit old an age you know can still learn

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great new things from young people

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teaching and mentorship can be very

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important and on that topic have you had

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any any really important mentors in your

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life you mentioned in high school you

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had a great biology teacher you had a

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great theater teacher what other mentors

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have you had in your life that have

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really helped you to develop your career

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there's been a lot I mean starting with

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my parents my mom my mom and dad were

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both very very artistic people and my

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dad was big into computer programming

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and stuff early on he's also a musician

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and yeah then a lot of family you know

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like heard a lot of powerful powerful

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family figures in my life my grandmother

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and my grandmother's sister I mean some

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but um yeah and then just some amazing

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teachers my remember my third grade

547
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teacher mrs. Edwards was she had a group

548
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of us that were very interested in math

549
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and she kind of pulled us aside and

550
00:21:45,430 --> 00:21:43,640
stuck us at her own table and gave us

551
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you know 6th grade math books and let us

552
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teach ourselves and that kind of thing

553
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so she yeah she actually that was that

554
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was a big encouragement and both in kind

555
00:21:57,070 --> 00:21:54,800
of independent learning and and just

556
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having somebody recognize your interest

557
00:22:01,570 --> 00:21:59,750
and then push you along in it um yeah oh

558
00:22:05,020 --> 00:22:01,580
my my biology teacher in high school a

559
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:05,030
theatre teacher in high school um that's

560
00:22:09,100 --> 00:22:06,650
interesting you can get other incredible

561
00:22:12,790 --> 00:22:09,110
people like along my career I mentioned

562
00:22:15,010 --> 00:22:12,800
you know Kathleen yes I know you found

563
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in Australia and Kathleen canal at NASA

564
00:22:20,260 --> 00:22:17,690
and when you got married tech now and

565
00:22:23,140 --> 00:22:20,270
you know who is Charles cacao my PhD

566
00:22:24,850 --> 00:22:23,150
advisor just just a lot of incredible

567
00:22:26,380 --> 00:22:24,860
people and it's I can't you know stress

568
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:26,390
how important

569
00:22:33,250 --> 00:22:31,850
regard and that's one thing people

570
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:33,260
always make him said there's there's

571
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opportunities for you to take and

572
00:22:39,490 --> 00:22:38,690
encourage you to take them definitely

573
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that's great

574
00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:41,060
it's nice it's always fun to hear you

575
00:22:43,510 --> 00:22:42,530
know people's stories of who's inspired

576
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them and who's worked with them in their

577
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lives to help them find successful

578
00:22:50,470 --> 00:22:49,040
careers before we move into our question

579
00:22:52,210 --> 00:22:50,480
answer section there's a few more things

580
00:22:53,710 --> 00:22:52,220
I want to talk about with you one I

581
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understand we have a video that we're

582
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going to show here of you on parabolic

583
00:23:00,010 --> 00:22:57,920
flights how did you get into the

584
00:23:02,140 --> 00:23:00,020
proposition of doing that that sounds so

585
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:02,150
awesome oh that was it was incredible I

586
00:23:05,740 --> 00:23:03,410
mean it was that was part of my master's

587
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:05,750
program I was a team of us that had a

588
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:07,450
developed an experiment looking at

589
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:10,610
microbial myth then motility of

590
00:23:15,730 --> 00:23:12,770
spirulina and microgravity and it was

591
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selected to the European parabolic

592
00:23:20,710 --> 00:23:18,230
flight campaign oh yeah just an

593
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:20,720
incredible experience that's so awesome

594
00:23:24,190 --> 00:23:22,250
I'm so jealous I haven't had a chance to

595
00:23:25,900 --> 00:23:24,200
do it yet myself and it looks so cool

596
00:23:27,180 --> 00:23:25,910
that feeling of feeling apparent

597
00:23:29,710 --> 00:23:27,190
weightlessness inside of an airplane

598
00:23:31,780 --> 00:23:29,720
yeah I mean it's it's bizarre because

599
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it's almost it's a bit of a feeling that

600
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you get at the top of a roller coaster

601
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you know but then it just keeps going

602
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:37,490
and there is something weirdly familiar

603
00:23:42,100 --> 00:23:40,010
about it I don't know if it's you know

604
00:23:43,360 --> 00:23:42,110
harkens back to swimming or floating and

605
00:23:44,770 --> 00:23:43,370
wall you know but it's just there is

606
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:44,780
something kind of familiar about it and

607
00:23:50,250 --> 00:23:46,730
it's also when you're doing the pair of

608
00:23:52,540 --> 00:23:50,260
parabolas you have kind of the period of

609
00:23:53,950 --> 00:23:52,550
increased gravity as well or some

610
00:23:55,450 --> 00:23:53,960
simulated increased gravity where you're

611
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:55,460
pressed against the floor and there's a

612
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couple other videos of like trying to do

613
00:24:00,610 --> 00:23:58,970
sit-ups when that's happening and things

614
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:00,620
and there was one one of the parabolas

615
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when I got to go in the cockpit with the

616
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:04,970
pilot which was crazy cuz you're the

617
00:24:07,630 --> 00:24:06,530
planes like pointed straight up and

618
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you're just looking at sky and then

619
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swings and you just see the horizon you

620
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and then it's just ocean that sounds

621
00:24:19,270 --> 00:24:16,880
kind of terrifying - yeah there's no

622
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:19,280
windows in the actual you know it's

623
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:20,930
fuselage of the plane so you can't see

624
00:24:25,150 --> 00:24:22,730
that when you're actually in there in

625
00:24:27,310 --> 00:24:25,160
the flight but when you'd have a lot

626
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:27,320
more accidents inside the airplane if

627
00:24:30,790 --> 00:24:29,570
that was the case then yeah yeah yeah

628
00:24:32,380 --> 00:24:30,800
and I was lucky I didn't I didn't get

629
00:24:34,390 --> 00:24:32,390
sick or anything so there were a couple

630
00:24:36,690 --> 00:24:34,400
people that spent the whole time in the

631
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:36,700
back in the closed room

632
00:24:44,170 --> 00:24:42,890
trying to catch there you know before we

633
00:24:46,420 --> 00:24:44,180
move on to our question and answer

634
00:24:46,870 --> 00:24:46,430
session with the audience one more

635
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:46,880
question

636
00:24:50,890 --> 00:24:48,650
I understand that that there is a plan

637
00:24:52,570 --> 00:24:50,900
right now for issue number eight of the

638
00:24:54,820 --> 00:24:52,580
astrobiology graphic history series

639
00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:54,830
could you give us a little peek into

640
00:24:59,260 --> 00:24:57,650
what that might be about oh yeah I think

641
00:25:01,270 --> 00:24:59,270
I think we're kind of narrowing it down

642
00:25:05,380 --> 00:25:01,280
and I'm I'm pushing for kind of bio

643
00:25:07,930 --> 00:25:05,390
signatures and that's sort of a big area

644
00:25:09,190 --> 00:25:07,940
of of research right now it got the you

645
00:25:12,340 --> 00:25:09,200
know the life detection ladder that the

646
00:25:14,530 --> 00:25:12,350
program has been working on and and it's

647
00:25:16,660 --> 00:25:14,540
a big push in the research so it's also

648
00:25:18,340 --> 00:25:16,670
part of but then the new reorganization

649
00:25:20,710 --> 00:25:18,350
with the arts the research coordination

650
00:25:22,660 --> 00:25:20,720
that works at the program I think um I

651
00:25:25,120 --> 00:25:22,670
think focusing a couple issues on those

652
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:25,130
we've had the one issue that covers sort

653
00:25:29,410 --> 00:25:27,770
of Nexus and exoplanets and things and

654
00:25:31,810 --> 00:25:29,420
and the the previous issue is prebiotic

655
00:25:35,820 --> 00:25:31,820
chemistry in origin of life so that's

656
00:25:38,860 --> 00:25:35,830
the the pc3 marcia and i think i think

657
00:25:40,690 --> 00:25:38,870
moving into like the the network for

658
00:25:44,050 --> 00:25:40,700
life detection might be like a good

659
00:25:46,120 --> 00:25:44,060
thing and a good way of explaining that

660
00:25:47,620 --> 00:25:46,130
sort of how the research coordination

661
00:25:50,590 --> 00:25:47,630
networks are gonna help further the

662
00:25:52,660 --> 00:25:50,600
science and it's awesome it's yeah I

663
00:25:54,550 --> 00:25:52,670
myself a help out with some stuff for

664
00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:54,560
there unfold of the network for life

665
00:25:59,020 --> 00:25:57,410
detection and so I'm curious to see who

666
00:26:02,130 --> 00:25:59,030
all from and fold and the Center for

667
00:26:04,900 --> 00:26:02,140
life detection end up in that issue so I

668
00:26:08,050 --> 00:26:04,910
your your permissions right now to use

669
00:26:10,300 --> 00:26:08,060
your likeness then my permission to use

670
00:26:11,590 --> 00:26:10,310
my likeness I think with the beard

671
00:26:14,710 --> 00:26:11,600
people did kind of notice it right away

672
00:26:17,050 --> 00:26:14,720
anyway even though I now have a child at

673
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:17,060
home he's almost four months old he's

674
00:26:22,030 --> 00:26:19,450
been slowly pulling out handfuls and so

675
00:26:25,570 --> 00:26:22,040
we'll see for our audience how much

676
00:26:27,430 --> 00:26:25,580
longer the beard lasts so for everyone

677
00:26:28,930 --> 00:26:27,440
watching please remember use hashtag ask

678
00:26:30,670 --> 00:26:28,940
asked your bio on Twitter to ask

679
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:30,680
questions or use the chat since egg and

680
00:26:35,140 --> 00:26:32,570
net or on Facebook on the NASA

681
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:35,150
Astrobiology page and we'll open it up

682
00:26:39,910 --> 00:26:36,610
now to some questions from the audience

683
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:39,920
we'll start off with one from dr.

684
00:26:45,100 --> 00:26:42,530
Lawrence Tyler who's mouska mirror at

685
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:45,110
Twitter and she wants to know what made

686
00:26:49,090 --> 00:26:47,090
you decide to transition from scientific

687
00:26:52,270 --> 00:26:49,100
research to art we discussed

688
00:26:55,150 --> 00:26:52,280
a little bit was the choice difficult

689
00:26:56,740 --> 00:26:55,160
making this transition and do you have

690
00:26:58,630 --> 00:26:56,750
any advice for people who are now

691
00:27:03,460 --> 00:26:58,640
considering leaving research and

692
00:27:06,580 --> 00:27:03,470
academia for other careers hmm yeah

693
00:27:07,870 --> 00:27:06,590
that's a big question I mean for me for

694
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:07,880
me it was just a matter of opportunity

695
00:27:11,740 --> 00:27:10,010
and then and the you know the

696
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:11,750
opportunity came up for me to kind of

697
00:27:19,180 --> 00:27:15,890
pursue science art and you know I ran

698
00:27:21,159 --> 00:27:19,190
with it cuz it thing it's added like a

699
00:27:24,279 --> 00:27:21,169
place where I could actually contribute

700
00:27:25,510 --> 00:27:24,289
quite a bit so yeah and I know that's

701
00:27:27,220 --> 00:27:25,520
not saying that I wouldn't go back into

702
00:27:29,470 --> 00:27:27,230
research at some point or anything like

703
00:27:32,950 --> 00:27:29,480
that I my life has kind of been a string

704
00:27:35,470 --> 00:27:32,960
of decisions based on what sounds

705
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:35,480
interesting and where I'm gonna learn

706
00:27:40,779 --> 00:27:36,850
the most

707
00:27:41,980 --> 00:27:40,789
and yeah that's like advice wise I mean

708
00:27:44,710 --> 00:27:41,990
really think about why you want to make

709
00:27:45,850 --> 00:27:44,720
that transition you know is there is

710
00:27:47,770 --> 00:27:45,860
there a reason you're unhappy and

711
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:47,780
researchers are you missing something

712
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:50,330
with it because there are plenty of

713
00:27:55,090 --> 00:27:51,530
opportunities as well to stay in

714
00:27:58,169 --> 00:27:55,100
research and and also you know do art as

715
00:28:01,990 --> 00:27:58,179
outreach and that sort of thing and and

716
00:28:04,299 --> 00:28:02,000
you know if you are in a situation where

717
00:28:06,909 --> 00:28:04,309
you're unhappy in your work environment

718
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:06,919
or something with research then also

719
00:28:09,250 --> 00:28:08,090
reach out to people and talk about why

720
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:09,260
that is and maybe things that you could

721
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:11,570
change that wakes it's a shame to kind

722
00:28:15,220 --> 00:28:12,770
of fall out of the research end of

723
00:28:17,260 --> 00:28:15,230
things you know and I do try to kind of

724
00:28:19,659 --> 00:28:17,270
keep up some of my own personal research

725
00:28:22,149 --> 00:28:19,669
as well but I don't have a lot of time

726
00:28:26,649 --> 00:28:22,159
at the moment but one of these days

727
00:28:28,060 --> 00:28:26,659
maybe that's awesome yeah I mean I might

728
00:28:29,950 --> 00:28:28,070
soften that kind of boat to where I

729
00:28:32,289 --> 00:28:29,960
still like to do some of my own research

730
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:32,299
but I'm focusing so much more now on

731
00:28:35,380 --> 00:28:33,650
communicating science and sharing

732
00:28:36,669 --> 00:28:35,390
science with the public and you know you

733
00:28:38,649 --> 00:28:36,679
do have to consider where your time is

734
00:28:40,450 --> 00:28:38,659
placed for sure

735
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:40,460
our next question comes from Kashi

736
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:42,530
Schnapp who is a longtime friend of the

737
00:28:49,539 --> 00:28:46,490
show and background contest winner Kashi

738
00:28:51,690 --> 00:28:49,549
she asks in my country I saw many

739
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:51,700
students giving up their passion for art

740
00:28:56,350 --> 00:28:55,250
just to go for science as a career they

741
00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:56,360
think that if they can't if they

742
00:29:00,310 --> 00:28:57,770
continue art and they can't follow

743
00:29:02,500 --> 00:29:00,320
science so what would you say to those

744
00:29:04,180 --> 00:29:02,510
kinds of students who feel like

745
00:29:05,970 --> 00:29:04,190
that if they continue in an artistic

746
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:05,980
endeavor that they actually can't then

747
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:07,970
progress in any kind of scientific

748
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:11,210
endeavor um I would never tell them to

749
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:13,610
rethink that I think that you know never

750
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:15,490
give up your art for one thing like it's

751
00:29:21,750 --> 00:29:19,130
you know our art has an amazing kind of

752
00:29:24,130 --> 00:29:21,760
therapeutic thing to be doing and and

753
00:29:25,990 --> 00:29:24,140
arts important to put out in the world

754
00:29:30,900 --> 00:29:26,000
as well so I've never it never set that

755
00:29:33,070 --> 00:29:30,910
aside and almost like followed if I

756
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:33,080
would say to only follow science if

757
00:29:35,770 --> 00:29:34,370
you're passionate about it to in the

758
00:29:39,940 --> 00:29:35,780
same way if I'll follow your passions

759
00:29:41,170 --> 00:29:39,950
don't don't let you know job prospects

760
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:41,180
and that thing dictate your future

761
00:29:47,470 --> 00:29:44,810
because those prospects change with time

762
00:29:50,050 --> 00:29:47,480
as well so I think if you if you enjoy

763
00:29:51,490 --> 00:29:50,060
what you're doing and you focus on

764
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:51,500
learning through it and getting better

765
00:29:58,360 --> 00:29:54,290
at what you enjoy then you'll find a

766
00:30:00,670 --> 00:29:58,370
nice thanks it's awesome yeah I can

767
00:30:02,980 --> 00:30:00,680
greet that entirely because she actually

768
00:30:07,330 --> 00:30:02,990
has a second question it's a little

769
00:30:09,490 --> 00:30:07,340
broader she'd like to know and this is

770
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:09,500
kind of meta for you in consideration of

771
00:30:12,910 --> 00:30:10,610
what you're currently doing with with

772
00:30:15,940 --> 00:30:12,920
the graphic history series do you feel

773
00:30:17,500 --> 00:30:15,950
like creating this art has helped you to

774
00:30:21,610 --> 00:30:17,510
spread scientific understanding and

775
00:30:23,620 --> 00:30:21,620
awareness in the world yeah absolutely I

776
00:30:25,390 --> 00:30:23,630
mean I've got a lot of wonderful

777
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:25,400
feedback from people about it and I

778
00:30:31,390 --> 00:30:28,130
think that particularly the illustrative

779
00:30:33,460 --> 00:30:31,400
form is really suited to science and I

780
00:30:34,810 --> 00:30:33,470
can in a way you know as as humans we've

781
00:30:37,900 --> 00:30:34,820
been telling stories through

782
00:30:41,530 --> 00:30:37,910
illustration for all of history but um I

783
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:41,540
think that that the way that science is

784
00:30:47,940 --> 00:30:46,250
often taught and in education you know

785
00:30:51,670 --> 00:30:47,950
it's the textbook style teaching and

786
00:30:55,870 --> 00:30:51,680
kind of not everybody learns well that

787
00:30:59,380 --> 00:30:55,880
way I think that by using comic art you

788
00:31:01,750 --> 00:30:59,390
can approach one subject visually and

789
00:31:03,190 --> 00:31:01,760
through the words and it's your as

790
00:31:05,470 --> 00:31:03,200
you're reading it you're learning things

791
00:31:07,420 --> 00:31:05,480
from both of those and that's that's the

792
00:31:08,350 --> 00:31:07,430
you know the brilliant way of doing it

793
00:31:10,510 --> 00:31:08,360
because some people are visual learners

794
00:31:13,300 --> 00:31:10,520
and having the imagery helps and even

795
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:13,310
you know even if they don't quite

796
00:31:16,060 --> 00:31:15,650
understand the words the big piece that

797
00:31:18,130 --> 00:31:16,070
with the

798
00:31:22,540 --> 00:31:18,140
and it makes some of these bigger

799
00:31:23,140 --> 00:31:22,550
concepts like more approachable that's

800
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:23,150
excellent

801
00:31:27,010 --> 00:31:25,730
now there's also a science of science

802
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:27,020
communication where people are actually

803
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:29,450
trying to figure out what is actually

804
00:31:33,130 --> 00:31:31,130
working in communicating science and

805
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:33,140
trying to understand how we're using art

806
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:35,810
and music and speech and these different

807
00:31:39,370 --> 00:31:37,970
media for for sharing our messages how

808
00:31:41,110 --> 00:31:39,380
they actually function in getting the

809
00:31:42,460 --> 00:31:41,120
message across so it's it's always cool

810
00:31:44,380 --> 00:31:42,470
to talk to everyone you know who has

811
00:31:46,630 --> 00:31:44,390
different passions for all of you

812
00:31:48,250 --> 00:31:46,640
watching you know you might not want to

813
00:31:51,220 --> 00:31:48,260
make art maybe you want to make music or

814
00:31:53,770 --> 00:31:51,230
or maybe you want to go sing or write a

815
00:31:57,430 --> 00:31:53,780
poetry there are various ways various

816
00:31:59,530 --> 00:31:57,440
artistic means for sharing science our

817
00:32:02,170 --> 00:31:59,540
next question comes from at Carrow in

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space on Twitter or Caroline Wong a

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Caroline wants to know what kinds of

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creative creative processes do you use

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when there aren't enough data to

822
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:11,900
illustrate something accurately for the

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00:32:16,750 --> 00:32:14,930
comics what kinds of conversations for

824
00:32:19,750 --> 00:32:16,760
instance might happen between you and

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00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:19,760
the scientists when scripting and

826
00:32:24,550 --> 00:32:21,170
storyboarding and putting together these

827
00:32:25,930 --> 00:32:24,560
ideas for what you want to show that

828
00:32:28,180 --> 00:32:25,940
kind of came up in Alaska issue with

829
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with talk about systems chemistry and

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things and you know you can't have a

831
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whole issue of just molecules moving

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together and you know that's what you

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see in a textbook anyways the molecules

834
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kind of drawn and almost reading the

835
00:32:40,740 --> 00:32:38,990
arrows where they go and that sort of

836
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stuff and I think that's kind of how we

837
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landed on the sequence where there's the

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00:32:47,110 --> 00:32:44,990
synchronized swimming and you get the

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scientists and they're colored uniforms

840
00:32:52,510 --> 00:32:49,670
diving to the pool and swimming around

841
00:32:54,820 --> 00:32:52,520
together and yeah I think that I mean I

842
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think those are the those are the

843
00:32:58,240 --> 00:32:56,060
challenging moments but those are also

844
00:32:59,470 --> 00:32:58,250
the most fun and sitting there and kind

845
00:33:02,230 --> 00:32:59,480
of thinking about how to represent that

846
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visually and you know in a way that has

847
00:33:06,610 --> 00:33:03,740
humor in a way that you know is

848
00:33:07,900 --> 00:33:06,620
captivating so you know I look forward

849
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:07,910
to those moments and it's it's always

850
00:33:11,170 --> 00:33:08,930
fun to kind of get in touch with the

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00:33:13,180 --> 00:33:11,180
scientists and get them you know

852
00:33:15,250 --> 00:33:13,190
bouncing back and forth ideas about

853
00:33:17,470 --> 00:33:15,260
about whether or not that works and

854
00:33:19,810 --> 00:33:17,480
whether or not you know it might not

855
00:33:21,100 --> 00:33:19,820
even be accurately showing what's

856
00:33:25,420 --> 00:33:21,110
happening but at least it gives an idea

857
00:33:26,060 --> 00:33:25,430
of the thought behind it you know and

858
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that's like

859
00:33:30,620 --> 00:33:28,020
there were dimensions of emergence um

860
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and stuff in the last issue two that had

861
00:33:34,670 --> 00:33:32,250
aspects of that with the birds and

862
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flying and emergent behaviors and that

863
00:33:41,270 --> 00:33:36,780
sort of thing and that's always kind of

864
00:33:45,830 --> 00:33:41,280
difficult concepts to to represent only

865
00:33:47,090 --> 00:33:45,840
in speech yeah absolutely yeah there's

866
00:33:49,370 --> 00:33:47,100
so many hard concepts out there in

867
00:33:51,470 --> 00:33:49,380
astrobiology from you know just trying

868
00:33:54,410 --> 00:33:51,480
to define life if we even can to things

869
00:33:56,450 --> 00:33:54,420
like emergence that's so cool our next

870
00:33:58,520 --> 00:33:56,460
question comes you like to the show

871
00:33:59,690 --> 00:33:58,530
I'm sorry and even I mean if you can

872
00:34:02,960 --> 00:33:59,700
just kind of figuring out what I think

873
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:02,970
what life is in its basic form yeah yeah

874
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:04,170
there's so many things that are so hard

875
00:34:07,850 --> 00:34:06,450
for us to nail down that seemed crucial

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00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:07,860
and fundamental to understanding

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00:34:13,100 --> 00:34:11,130
astrobiology our next question comes

878
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:13,110
from Tom Caruso a friend of the show on

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00:34:19,990 --> 00:34:16,530
Facebook Tom asks in the world of

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00:34:22,460 --> 00:34:20,000
science the goal is to flush out details

881
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:22,470
but with art the hard part is learning

882
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:24,810
to stop putting too much detail into the

883
00:34:29,450 --> 00:34:28,050
work how do you balance the two when

884
00:34:31,340 --> 00:34:29,460
making your illustrations and

885
00:34:37,240 --> 00:34:31,350
communicating complicated concepts in

886
00:34:42,380 --> 00:34:37,250
astrobiology ooh another good question

887
00:34:45,830 --> 00:34:42,390
yeah I think in my like in the

888
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illustrations it's there's a big balance

889
00:34:51,550 --> 00:34:48,750
to strike between the the detail of the

890
00:34:54,230 --> 00:34:51,560
image and the detail of the words and

891
00:34:57,170 --> 00:34:54,240
also one of the big tricks in in comics

892
00:34:59,390 --> 00:34:57,180
always is is that you can't you don't

893
00:35:01,130 --> 00:34:59,400
want the words to stay what's happening

894
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:01,140
in the image really like if you have to

895
00:35:06,050 --> 00:35:03,890
if you have to write down you know

896
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:06,060
so-and-so goes running down the hallway

897
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:07,770
and then running down the hallway like

898
00:35:13,550 --> 00:35:10,530
them you're unsuccessful in that medium

899
00:35:15,950 --> 00:35:13,560
so it's you have to pay attention to

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00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:15,960
what the imagery is speaking and what

901
00:35:20,240 --> 00:35:17,850
the words are speaking and strike that

902
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:20,250
balance and then and you know you're

903
00:35:23,720 --> 00:35:22,410
right like like for imagery this the

904
00:35:25,250 --> 00:35:23,730
simpler the better especially when

905
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:25,260
you're dealing with big concepts and

906
00:35:29,690 --> 00:35:26,970
stuff like you don't want to get get it

907
00:35:33,590 --> 00:35:29,700
it to get too muddled with with too much

908
00:35:35,450 --> 00:35:33,600
imagery so I think I've heard I've tried

909
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:35,460
to pare that down a bit in terms like

910
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:36,930
especially in some of the earlier issues

911
00:35:40,700 --> 00:35:39,450
using actual NASA imagery in the

912
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:40,710
grounds and that kind of thing and just

913
00:35:45,890 --> 00:35:43,530
focusing on on simple kind of concepts

914
00:35:47,240 --> 00:35:45,900
in the foreground and it's not you know

915
00:35:48,740 --> 00:35:47,250
it's a nice way to use some of the

916
00:35:52,550 --> 00:35:48,750
beautiful massive imagery that's out

917
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:52,560
there that's awesome dude you then that

918
00:35:59,930 --> 00:35:55,770
take those NASA images and directly just

919
00:36:01,910 --> 00:35:59,940
create artwork from them not always

920
00:36:03,589 --> 00:36:01,920
sometimes it's just actual like NASA

921
00:36:05,990 --> 00:36:03,599
photography and the like kind of

922
00:36:06,470 --> 00:36:06,000
integrated into the image hmm that's

923
00:36:08,690 --> 00:36:06,480
awesome

924
00:36:11,390 --> 00:36:08,700
our next question also have to do with

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00:36:14,630 --> 00:36:11,400
with how you create the art how you use

926
00:36:17,390 --> 00:36:14,640
the art to share the science Suraj ahoo

927
00:36:19,130 --> 00:36:17,400
and Sagan net wants to know if you think

928
00:36:21,170 --> 00:36:19,140
that making graphics that tend to be a

929
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:21,180
little bit more on the funny side or

930
00:36:27,950 --> 00:36:24,210
humorous would be more interesting to

931
00:36:32,599 --> 00:36:27,960
common people I mean it'll be more

932
00:36:36,349 --> 00:36:32,609
interesting to me I think I the Kimura

933
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:36,359
is important and I think that humor is

934
00:36:39,829 --> 00:36:37,410
not something that's often associated

935
00:36:41,240 --> 00:36:39,839
with science so I think it's an

936
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:41,250
excellent opportunity to include some of

937
00:36:44,690 --> 00:36:43,410
the humor and to show you know the

938
00:36:47,059 --> 00:36:44,700
scientists themselves but also show that

939
00:36:48,380 --> 00:36:47,069
they did you know the human aspect of

940
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:48,390
them and their people and I do have good

941
00:36:53,510 --> 00:36:50,130
sense of humor in and that sort of thing

942
00:36:56,329 --> 00:36:53,520
so um definitely what that way with

943
00:36:58,970 --> 00:36:56,339
there was also aster biobot comic that I

944
00:37:00,790 --> 00:36:58,980
did that uh that was that was all about

945
00:37:05,540 --> 00:37:00,800
the humor but that was kind of done as a

946
00:37:08,210 --> 00:37:05,550
you know short segment news comic in a

947
00:37:12,260 --> 00:37:08,220
sense like three panel kind of weekly

948
00:37:16,250 --> 00:37:12,270
thing so no I think I think I Kimura is

949
00:37:17,870 --> 00:37:16,260
always always a good hook for myself I

950
00:37:19,790 --> 00:37:17,880
do a lot of speaking for for science

951
00:37:22,010 --> 00:37:19,800
communication and it's always that fine

952
00:37:23,180 --> 00:37:22,020
line of having some humor but not too

953
00:37:25,819 --> 00:37:23,190
much because you don't want to lose the

954
00:37:28,579 --> 00:37:25,829
message yeah even though I have done

955
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:28,589
stand-up science comedy and that's also

956
00:37:33,829 --> 00:37:31,530
quite a blast so good to have the

957
00:37:35,359 --> 00:37:33,839
audience laughing with you and so I love

958
00:37:37,970 --> 00:37:35,369
the humor that I've seen in various

959
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:37,980
places for communicating science our

960
00:37:43,220 --> 00:37:40,170
next question is gonna go more into the

961
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:43,230
science now so so digging back in your

962
00:37:48,410 --> 00:37:46,290
science background here reaching nandi

963
00:37:49,330 --> 00:37:48,420
wants to know from second that wants to

964
00:37:52,540 --> 00:37:49,340
know

965
00:37:55,420 --> 00:37:52,550
which origin of life hypothesis has the

966
00:37:57,580 --> 00:37:55,430
most evidence or at least as far as you

967
00:38:01,630 --> 00:37:57,590
you can tell something like a DNA world

968
00:38:04,390 --> 00:38:01,640
an RNA world protein interaction how do

969
00:38:06,910 --> 00:38:04,400
you how do you kind of fall with the

970
00:38:12,550 --> 00:38:06,920
current considerations of how life might

971
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:12,560
have started on earth I mean what might

972
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:14,090
my background is more in Geo

973
00:38:17,590 --> 00:38:15,530
microbiology and doing kind of

974
00:38:19,780 --> 00:38:17,600
subsurface deep subsurface microbiology

975
00:38:23,500 --> 00:38:19,790
so I'm not not an allergen of life

976
00:38:24,820 --> 00:38:23,510
researcher and I just think it's it's a

977
00:38:28,450 --> 00:38:24,830
field that's progressing so much you

978
00:38:30,790 --> 00:38:28,460
have kind of the two you know the people

979
00:38:32,050 --> 00:38:30,800
that were kind of bottom up and starting

980
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:32,060
from chemistry and looking at how that

981
00:38:36,010 --> 00:38:33,890
may have become life and the people

982
00:38:38,140 --> 00:38:36,020
working backwards from you know life now

983
00:38:40,780 --> 00:38:38,150
and looking back toward Luca and before

984
00:38:44,230 --> 00:38:40,790
that and and trying to meet somewhere in

985
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:44,240
the middle and and I think that you know

986
00:38:48,750 --> 00:38:47,290
there's there's a lot of

987
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:48,760
unlike the RNA world of that sort of

988
00:38:53,460 --> 00:38:50,650
theory there was also just very recently

989
00:38:57,180 --> 00:38:53,470
a paper run Christian with krishnamurthi

990
00:39:00,540 --> 00:38:57,190
and some of the people at the out there

991
00:39:02,510 --> 00:39:00,550
that I also kind of showed that that DNA

992
00:39:04,590 --> 00:39:02,520
and RNA could have merged concurrently

993
00:39:06,030 --> 00:39:04,600
so it may not have been one before the

994
00:39:09,830 --> 00:39:06,040
other and may not have been RNA first

995
00:39:11,850 --> 00:39:09,840
necessarily so I think that that that I

996
00:39:13,770 --> 00:39:11,860
think it'll be interesting as we as we

997
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:13,780
continue kind of explore the solar

998
00:39:19,650 --> 00:39:16,330
system and maybe find evidence of life

999
00:39:21,720 --> 00:39:19,660
elsewhere then that would give us a

1000
00:39:23,490 --> 00:39:21,730
second data point and I'd be a lot

1001
00:39:25,310 --> 00:39:23,500
easier to understand the likelihood of

1002
00:39:29,070 --> 00:39:25,320
pence per Mia in our own solar system

1003
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:29,080
you know things like like Venus there's

1004
00:39:34,260 --> 00:39:31,170
something to travel outward toward Earth

1005
00:39:35,970 --> 00:39:34,270
away from the Sun that's trickier than

1006
00:39:36,750 --> 00:39:35,980
something kind of moving you know moving

1007
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:36,760
in from Mars

1008
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:40,530
well not impossible but the trickier um

1009
00:39:45,030 --> 00:39:43,810
ya know I'm I think first we need to

1010
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:45,040
answer the question about life on Earth

1011
00:39:49,650 --> 00:39:46,890
and figuring out what that is and

1012
00:39:51,210 --> 00:39:49,660
nailing down the clear way of

1013
00:39:53,790 --> 00:39:51,220
identifying that in terms of a bio

1014
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:53,800
signature and then and then start

1015
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:55,930
branching out and figuring out now what

1016
00:39:58,740 --> 00:39:57,370
other kind of bio signatures might exist

1017
00:40:01,140 --> 00:39:58,750
out there and what are they

1018
00:40:03,900 --> 00:40:01,150
you know what nuances and differences in

1019
00:40:07,290 --> 00:40:03,910
life will might find and even if we you

1020
00:40:08,430 --> 00:40:07,300
know if we identified life on Europa or

1021
00:40:12,270 --> 00:40:08,440
somewhere else like that if it was

1022
00:40:15,060 --> 00:40:12,280
exactly you know DNA based and exactly

1023
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:15,070
the same as earth-like that would be

1024
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:17,530
interesting as well I mean you'd never

1025
00:40:24,180 --> 00:40:19,330
be able to say where life in the solar

1026
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:24,190
system came from first then but now it's

1027
00:40:27,530 --> 00:40:25,570
an interesting question it's it's an

1028
00:40:30,390 --> 00:40:27,540
interesting thought experiment at least

1029
00:40:32,010 --> 00:40:30,400
yeah absolutely yeah I'm always kind of

1030
00:40:33,570 --> 00:40:32,020
curious to see you know what the future

1031
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:33,580
holds for us actually getting out into

1032
00:40:36,900 --> 00:40:35,530
our and solar system and exploring I

1033
00:40:39,290 --> 00:40:36,910
feel like we're just on the cusp right

1034
00:40:41,580 --> 00:40:39,300
now of doing the coolest stuff yeah um

1035
00:40:42,990 --> 00:40:41,590
so our next question comes from our

1036
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:43,000
ambassador of the month

1037
00:40:48,660 --> 00:40:46,810
Sejal who wants to know the artwork in

1038
00:40:52,140 --> 00:40:48,670
the script of a NASA Astrobiology

1039
00:40:54,750 --> 00:40:52,150
graphic history books are really amazing

1040
00:40:56,529 --> 00:40:54,760
she says I love prebiotic chemistry and

1041
00:40:58,719 --> 00:40:56,539
the origin of life most issue

1042
00:41:00,999 --> 00:40:58,729
seven they want to know what forms of

1043
00:41:03,939 --> 00:41:01,009
life or extremophiles you imagined to

1044
00:41:10,269 --> 00:41:03,949
potentially be in Europa or in Enceladus

1045
00:41:13,449 --> 00:41:10,279
ooh I guess this is kind of pie in the

1046
00:41:15,039 --> 00:41:13,459
sky if I could have anything yeah well

1047
00:41:23,620 --> 00:41:15,049
then I want like intelligent dolphins

1048
00:41:27,689 --> 00:41:23,630
with I mean I think you know with with

1049
00:41:29,799 --> 00:41:27,699
some of the research that I did my PhD

1050
00:41:33,579 --> 00:41:29,809
that life is deep in the subsurface

1051
00:41:35,679 --> 00:41:33,589
right I mean I think it's very difficult

1052
00:41:37,499 --> 00:41:35,689
on earth to find a place where life

1053
00:41:40,150 --> 00:41:37,509
doesn't exist we find microbes

1054
00:41:42,549 --> 00:41:40,160
everywhere you know and you didn't sign

1055
00:41:44,859 --> 00:41:42,559
nuclear reactors and things and and I

1056
00:41:47,199 --> 00:41:44,869
think that if you could have had an

1057
00:41:48,789 --> 00:41:47,209
origin of life on a place like you're

1058
00:41:50,409 --> 00:41:48,799
open if there's you know there's an

1059
00:41:53,019 --> 00:41:50,419
energy source under underneath and

1060
00:41:56,890 --> 00:41:53,029
there's liquid water and and I think

1061
00:41:58,599 --> 00:41:56,900
you'd you know like microbial life would

1062
00:42:01,359 --> 00:41:58,609
be what I would look for first you know

1063
00:42:05,319 --> 00:42:01,369
always but that's also what I'm I'm

1064
00:42:06,849 --> 00:42:05,329
trained in so to follow on let's just

1065
00:42:09,159 --> 00:42:06,859
have some fun with it so you're an

1066
00:42:12,549 --> 00:42:09,169
artist you you you you know you use your

1067
00:42:15,279 --> 00:42:12,559
imagination to create things say you had

1068
00:42:18,509 --> 00:42:15,289
to create what alien life beyond our

1069
00:42:20,409 --> 00:42:18,519
solar system might most likely be like

1070
00:42:22,569 --> 00:42:20,419
what do you think we're most likely

1071
00:42:25,689 --> 00:42:22,579
going to find out there what kind of

1072
00:42:29,140 --> 00:42:25,699
organisms will we find I mean I think I

1073
00:42:32,259 --> 00:42:29,150
think our best bet is is you know in

1074
00:42:34,870 --> 00:42:32,269
terms of beyond the solar system with

1075
00:42:36,339 --> 00:42:34,880
kind of modern telescopes and future

1076
00:42:37,779 --> 00:42:36,349
telescopes and things is atmospheric

1077
00:42:40,589 --> 00:42:37,789
signatures you know looking at

1078
00:42:42,669 --> 00:42:40,599
atmospheric composition and defining

1079
00:42:44,439 --> 00:42:42,679
something that we can say with pretty

1080
00:42:46,509 --> 00:42:44,449
good certainty that you know this

1081
00:42:50,559 --> 00:42:46,519
atmospheric composition is a signature

1082
00:42:53,890 --> 00:42:50,569
of of what we would expect from a hat

1083
00:42:56,849 --> 00:42:53,900
inhabited world I don't know how how you

1084
00:42:59,759 --> 00:42:56,859
know how close we'll be able to get to

1085
00:43:02,739 --> 00:42:59,769
understanding what that life looks like

1086
00:43:04,839 --> 00:43:02,749
and of course I'd love to see Star Trek

1087
00:43:07,390 --> 00:43:04,849
I'd love to see you know other worlds

1088
00:43:09,150 --> 00:43:07,400
and have it with with alien life that we

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00:43:12,420 --> 00:43:09,160
can interact with them

1090
00:43:14,579 --> 00:43:12,430
communicate with but I think we've got a

1091
00:43:18,029 --> 00:43:14,589
long way to go before her before we had

1092
00:43:20,099 --> 00:43:18,039
the technology to do that well you know

1093
00:43:21,990 --> 00:43:20,109
it's always fun the dream yeah you know

1094
00:43:24,750 --> 00:43:22,000
I myself am a huge science-fiction fan

1095
00:43:27,870 --> 00:43:24,760
yeah I'm curious what what what

1096
00:43:30,539 --> 00:43:27,880
portrayals of aliens in science fiction

1097
00:43:33,029 --> 00:43:30,549
and fantasy through film through

1098
00:43:35,730 --> 00:43:33,039
television through graphic histories

1099
00:43:37,740 --> 00:43:35,740
graphic novels and comic books what do

1100
00:43:41,549 --> 00:43:37,750
you think are like the best portrayal of

1101
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:41,559
aliens ooh I mean I'm a big Star Trek

1102
00:43:46,079 --> 00:43:43,930
fan and I know huge respect for that

1103
00:43:48,410 --> 00:43:46,089
world that was created and and what they

1104
00:43:51,390 --> 00:43:48,420
tried to do with it in terms of you know

1105
00:43:53,130 --> 00:43:51,400
not having it always about war and stuff

1106
00:43:55,170 --> 00:43:53,140
I was also a big star Wars fan I grew up

1107
00:43:57,930 --> 00:43:55,180
I probably had first three movies

1108
00:43:59,250 --> 00:43:57,940
memorized by the time I was five and I

1109
00:44:02,450 --> 00:43:59,260
think Return of the Jedi was one of the

1110
00:44:05,670 --> 00:44:02,460
first films I saw him at theatres but uh

1111
00:44:11,910 --> 00:44:05,680
how big part see favorites let's say the

1112
00:44:13,519 --> 00:44:11,920
Iron Giant interesting I've never gotten

1113
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:13,529
giant as an alien I guess you're right

1114
00:44:21,510 --> 00:44:16,690
that one we struck a chord with me and

1115
00:44:23,250 --> 00:44:21,520
that was beautiful that's awesome yeah

1116
00:44:26,190 --> 00:44:23,260
and I think that was also you know I

1117
00:44:29,370 --> 00:44:26,200
think like intelligent robots like that

1118
00:44:32,430 --> 00:44:29,380
that would be fairly realistic thing for

1119
00:44:35,539 --> 00:44:32,440
long long-term space travel and you know

1120
00:44:37,829 --> 00:44:35,549
and that sort of thing as well so what

1121
00:44:41,359 --> 00:44:37,839
so remember that last moment where he's

1122
00:44:44,609 --> 00:44:41,369
flying in the sky whose tears my eyes I

1123
00:44:46,500 --> 00:44:44,619
love it our next question comes from

1124
00:44:50,279 --> 00:44:46,510
someone who goes by the handle faith and

1125
00:44:53,940 --> 00:44:50,289
fury and they say hey uncle Aaron it's

1126
00:44:58,470 --> 00:44:53,950
Gabe just wanted to ask what it's like

1127
00:45:00,029 --> 00:44:58,480
floating about in space well I didn't

1128
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:00,039
even float it about in space but I did

1129
00:45:04,140 --> 00:45:02,130
fly what about on the parabolic flight

1130
00:45:09,029 --> 00:45:04,150
incredible and you should definitely try

1131
00:45:11,010 --> 00:45:09,039
it sometime Gabe just study study hard

1132
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:11,020
right yeah study hard we will do it to

1133
00:45:16,620 --> 00:45:14,890
you float about inside we have another

1134
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:16,630
question here from Sagan net this is

1135
00:45:20,789 --> 00:45:19,210
from Harshal Harshal was-- Nick who

1136
00:45:22,290 --> 00:45:20,799
wants to know how difficult it is to

1137
00:45:24,270 --> 00:45:22,300
convey

1138
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:24,280
illustrative concepts to people from

1139
00:45:30,750 --> 00:45:26,770
different backgrounds to understand

1140
00:45:31,860 --> 00:45:30,760
these concepts in astrobiology how do

1141
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:31,870
you help people from these different

1142
00:45:36,270 --> 00:45:34,330
backgrounds to understand these concepts

1143
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:36,280
in such a large room of knowledge like

1144
00:45:39,990 --> 00:45:39,010
astrobiology um I mean that's an

1145
00:45:42,240 --> 00:45:40,000
excellent question that is really

1146
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:42,250
difficult because people have different

1147
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:43,330
backgrounds and different cultures we

1148
00:45:47,850 --> 00:45:45,090
also have different ways of interpreting

1149
00:45:50,750 --> 00:45:47,860
imagery and in Chinese and I did have

1150
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:50,760
act as a wonderful opportunity to go and

1151
00:45:55,710 --> 00:45:52,930
talk at a writer's workshop at the

1152
00:45:56,970 --> 00:45:55,720
Navajo Nation and in New Mexico and you

1153
00:45:59,520 --> 00:45:56,980
know Navin oh how I've been telling

1154
00:46:02,400 --> 00:45:59,530
stories with you know pictures pictures

1155
00:46:05,250 --> 00:46:02,410
and images for you know as long as we

1156
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:05,260
know so that was that was fascinating

1157
00:46:09,090 --> 00:46:07,330
because you know they're better at than

1158
00:46:11,820 --> 00:46:09,100
I could ever be so and all these

1159
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:11,830
students sort of asking me questions and

1160
00:46:15,510 --> 00:46:13,690
I was supposed to be teaching them

1161
00:46:18,510 --> 00:46:15,520
things and I definitely learned more

1162
00:46:21,810 --> 00:46:18,520
than they did ya know it's a tough

1163
00:46:23,340 --> 00:46:21,820
consideration and I think I mean my and

1164
00:46:24,660 --> 00:46:23,350
I was raised with Marvel Comics in DC

1165
00:46:26,630 --> 00:46:24,670
and I think that that's that's sort of

1166
00:46:30,750 --> 00:46:26,640
there's a language there that exists and

1167
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:30,760
that's popular culture you know that's

1168
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:32,170
fairly spread around the world so I

1169
00:46:38,490 --> 00:46:35,410
think that you know like trying to kind

1170
00:46:40,500 --> 00:46:38,500
of stick to that format has been you

1171
00:46:43,650 --> 00:46:40,510
know one of my one of my goals with it

1172
00:46:45,450 --> 00:46:43,660
and just because it's it's a it's sort

1173
00:46:47,970 --> 00:46:45,460
of a visual and storytelling language

1174
00:46:50,190 --> 00:46:47,980
that has been established already rather

1175
00:46:51,390 --> 00:46:50,200
than trying to to reinvent it but I

1176
00:46:53,460 --> 00:46:51,400
would I mean I would love to explore

1177
00:46:58,140 --> 00:46:53,470
kind of other other ways of doing it as

1178
00:47:00,780 --> 00:46:58,150
well and then and it that's hmm coming

1179
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:00,790
up with ideas now I think you know be

1180
00:47:03,150 --> 00:47:02,050
fun to do some some kind of

1181
00:47:05,820 --> 00:47:03,160
collaborative work with some other

1182
00:47:08,730 --> 00:47:05,830
groups and and see what other ways we

1183
00:47:10,770 --> 00:47:08,740
could we could use yeah that's awesome

1184
00:47:12,210 --> 00:47:10,780
yes II asked an astrobiologist is

1185
00:47:15,810 --> 00:47:12,220
stimulating all kinds of ideas all the

1186
00:47:17,550 --> 00:47:15,820
time um so we have something kind of fun

1187
00:47:19,530 --> 00:47:17,560
for our audience right now who are

1188
00:47:23,250 --> 00:47:19,540
watching live and for those watching on

1189
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:23,260
YouTube we're gonna show a trailer from

1190
00:47:27,030 --> 00:47:24,970
a video that's being created right now

1191
00:47:29,460 --> 00:47:27,040
for NASA Astrobiology that highlights

1192
00:47:31,260 --> 00:47:29,470
Aaron's work and so specifically

1193
00:47:33,390 --> 00:47:31,270
highlights the creation

1194
00:47:36,720 --> 00:47:33,400
the NASA Astrobiology graphic history

1195
00:47:39,510 --> 00:47:36,730
series sort of give you a short watch of

1196
00:47:42,750 --> 00:47:39,520
the trailer for this upcoming video to

1197
00:47:45,660 --> 00:47:42,760
be released very soon showing dr. Aaron

1198
00:47:47,130 --> 00:47:45,670
Gronstal and his work so I think we're

1199
00:47:57,840 --> 00:47:47,140
ready so we'll have our production crew

1200
00:48:00,660 --> 00:47:57,850
go ahead and roll that trailer I've been

1201
00:48:01,830 --> 00:48:00,670
drawing pretty much all my life comic

1202
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:01,840
books were definitely kind of one of my

1203
00:48:08,010 --> 00:48:05,650
one of my dreams growing up it was kind

1204
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:08,020
of just self-taught I did kind of joke

1205
00:48:12,359 --> 00:48:10,810
that like I finished my my PhD in geo

1206
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:12,369
microbiology and then went back to being

1207
00:48:19,050 --> 00:48:14,410
a 14 year old in my pajamas drying

1208
00:48:20,580 --> 00:48:19,060
making comics in my bedroom just drawing

1209
00:48:23,820 --> 00:48:20,590
and drag and drag until my hands are

1210
00:48:26,100 --> 00:48:23,830
shaking and sore like it takes months

1211
00:48:27,930 --> 00:48:26,110
sometimes longer for me to kind of look

1212
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:27,940
back see it with fresh eyes and be like

1213
00:48:41,030 --> 00:48:39,010
oh it actually works definitely looking

1214
00:48:42,990 --> 00:48:41,040
forward to seeing this new video

1215
00:48:45,300 --> 00:48:43,000
highlighting the production of the

1216
00:48:49,050 --> 00:48:45,310
graphic history series with dr. Erin

1217
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:49,060
Gronstal so for any of you who are

1218
00:48:54,690 --> 00:48:50,970
interested you can go online to

1219
00:48:57,810 --> 00:48:54,700
astrobiology nasa.gov and find all of

1220
00:49:00,210 --> 00:48:57,820
the graphic history series for free and

1221
00:49:02,010 --> 00:49:00,220
downloadable so if you go on and go

1222
00:49:03,570 --> 00:49:02,020
under resources and then graphic

1223
00:49:07,109 --> 00:49:03,580
histories in the upper right hand corner

1224
00:49:09,090 --> 00:49:07,119
you can find out you can find all of the

1225
00:49:11,849 --> 00:49:09,100
different seven issues we have so far as

1226
00:49:14,970 --> 00:49:11,859
well as the the Astro biobot single

1227
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:14,980
issue so far so dr. Erin grants thaw

1228
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:17,530
before we leave this episode is there

1229
00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:18,490
anything you'd like to leave our

1230
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:24,730
audience with as a parting thought um no

1231
00:49:29,310 --> 00:49:27,450
I read it I think just uh

1232
00:49:30,900 --> 00:49:29,320
yeah I would say I would say follow

1233
00:49:33,270 --> 00:49:30,910
follow your passions if you're you know

1234
00:49:34,380 --> 00:49:33,280
I think everybody that's tuned in is

1235
00:49:35,490 --> 00:49:34,390
probably interested in science and

1236
00:49:36,599 --> 00:49:35,500
everything but I'm sure everybody has

1237
00:49:38,849 --> 00:49:36,609
other passions that they're also

1238
00:49:40,890 --> 00:49:38,859
interested look for ways of integrating

1239
00:49:43,190 --> 00:49:40,900
that into your your professional work as

1240
00:49:44,670 --> 00:49:43,200
well because it benefits all of us

1241
00:49:46,049 --> 00:49:44,680
and it's awesome

1242
00:49:47,670 --> 00:49:46,059
thank you very much doctor ground stall

1243
00:49:50,069 --> 00:49:47,680
for joining us for asking

1244
00:49:52,770 --> 00:49:50,079
astrobiologists we really appreciate it

1245
00:49:54,059 --> 00:49:52,780
for our audience at home when you're

1246
00:49:56,370 --> 00:49:54,069
looking through the graphic history

1247
00:49:58,890 --> 00:49:56,380
series if you find some artwork that you

1248
00:50:01,170 --> 00:49:58,900
think really speaks to you or it's just

1249
00:50:03,569 --> 00:50:01,180
really awesome feel free to share it

1250
00:50:05,579 --> 00:50:03,579
with us on twitter at hashtag ask aster

1251
00:50:07,349 --> 00:50:05,589
bio let us know why you think the

1252
00:50:08,910 --> 00:50:07,359
artwork is so awesome or the story is

1253
00:50:10,530 --> 00:50:08,920
too awesome what is it about the graphic

1254
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:10,540
histories that really makes them so

1255
00:50:15,390 --> 00:50:13,690
exciting for all of you and then I guess

1256
00:50:17,579 --> 00:50:15,400
for ask an astrobiologist this is dr.

1257
00:50:19,500 --> 00:50:17,589
Graham Maus signing off so remember to

1258
00:51:01,060 --> 00:50:19,510
stay curious